Senior Known

[carlosii]

Oh Sonny...that's harsh

[SonnyThomas]

I guess you guys that usually finish at the top realize that if you dilute the pool of shooters by creating another class, you're gonna be cuttin' into your payday.
(Is you listenin' Jake? Older? Bob? Roy? Lamar? and the rest of you 12 shooters?)
I guess it would move me a bit up the ladder...which I really need.

Think of it this way. It's scary at the top and at the bottom you don't have far to fall

[carlosii]

I guess you guys that usually finish at the top realize that if you dilute the pool of shooters by creating another class, you're gonna be cuttin' into your payday.
(Is you listenin' Jake? Older? Bob? Roy? Lamar? and the rest of you 12 shooters?)
I guess it would move me a bit up the ladder...which I really need.

[n2bows]

I think there should be a Senior Known class. It would be nice to know how many of the regular K45 shooters are 50 years old and older. I know there is few of the K50 shooters that are old enough to shoot in the senior classes. And you guys who are voting no to the senior known class. What does it matter to you if there is a senior know class? You are not going to shoot in it anyway! And if ASA having a senior know class brings a few new shooters and keeps some of the excising shooters from quitting, is that not a good thing?!

[jacoserv]

I personally know 2 men who claim they would shoot a senior known distance class. But they refuse to come shoot against the 25 year old eyes and 25 year old hand-eye coordination. I think it would bring in more outside shooters but I have no way to prove it. If Mike needs proof then whats the point of discussing it anymore. Sometimes you just have to take a chance if you think something might work and would promote the sport. I don't see how a Senior Known Yardage Class could miss. And, yes it would take some shooters from the SS and the SM classes. I will bet that in a couple years a SKYC would be larger than the SS class is now. That's just MHO!

[SonnyThomas]

I understand that all the guys that have spent years shooting only yardage guessing 3D (most of us) don't support Known distance 3D. If you are successful in yardage guessing classes and aren't concerned with the growth of 3D there is NO reason to support Known distance 3D in a senior class. Unless you care about the health of archery in general.

From a business stand point ignoring empty nesters that have more disposal income and time than any other demographic seems foolish.

From the stand point of supporting and growing archery in general it seems foolish to ignore a popular and growing segment of 3D and that is the Known distance classes.

The folks currently in the Known classes are aging. There WILL be a Senior Known class and I bet it will exist not too far into the future.

Come on, Kent, don't lay that "health of archery or growing archery" on us. The biggest distraction from archery on the national level is cost and time. Only so many people have the resources to compete on the national level. I don't know all that goes with the Known classes, but I have shot K45 (with permission) when actually a Super Senior. I think I took a 2nd once of 2 or 3 times. 65 years old and I still compete against Adults at local clubs. Maybe I'm more healthy than others my age, but sure don't feel health. I've got more aches and ouchies than I want. If I wanted I'd shoot K45. If by ASA rules, unless one or two hiding somewhere, I could shoot Known Open C. It's a 40 yard class just like Super Senior. Sure, ASA state shoots are just that, but had I shot Known Open C this past weekend I would have won and not used a Range Finder. Top Open C won with a 290 and I shot a 291 for the win in Super Senior.

This 40, 45, and 50 Known stuff....I go to a club event I better be ready for 50 and 55 yards. Yeah, ASA clubs for a club 3D around me will stick a target out there. It's really a chuckle thing, all these 40 and under yardage classes and the vast majority of all ASA shooters in my area shoot 45 and 50 yards without so much as blink of a eye. I can name 5 in Bow Novice that do the same thing, shoot 45 and 50 yards at the clubs in my area. Figure 15 3D clubs within a hour's drive of my house and as I noted earlier, only -2- ASA clubs have a Range Finder class and neither have more than 5 shoot in the class. ??? I think only one club uses ASA classes and stakes.

[Older]

But mss this what we r saying how do u think this will help draw more shooters that r not currently shooting we would like to bring more shooters in not Duluth classes I am sure if you can show where it will bring more shooters mike will look at it just saying

[MSS]

I think known seniors would draw from seniors who currently shoot known distances. They may be in other classes like C or known 45 or known 50. I don't think many would change from Senior Open, Super Seniors or Masters.

I think it is a good idea and would probably get more participation than many on this forum might be willing to admit.

[KStig]

I understand that all the guys that have spent years shooting only yardage guessing 3D (most of us) don't support Known distance 3D. If you are successful in yardage guessing classes and aren't concerned with the growth of 3D there is NO reason to support Known distance 3D in a senior class. Unless you care about the health of archery in general.

From a business stand point ignoring empty nesters that have more disposal income and time than any other demographic seems foolish.

From the stand point of supporting and growing archery in general it seems foolish to ignore a popular and growing segment of 3D and that is the Known distance classes.

The folks currently in the Known classes are aging. There WILL be a Senior Known class and I bet it will exist not too far into the future.

[SonnyThomas]

Why in gods name would you vote no for a new class?? You don't have to shoot in it if you don't want too. We're talking about a new class not changing any existing classes.

I'm stubborn. I'm set in my ways. I'm aged and don't like changes. But mainly, ASA has enough classes. Keep it up and the ASA will be on the heels of the NFAA with 74 or 75 classes....

[jacoserv]

I'd settle for Pro Masters Class and I bet the sponsors who would be giving out all the free stuff would go for it too. Are there any Senior Pros 70 or over? I'm sure they would love it also. Sponsors would never have to cut their programs, natural attrition would take care of it for them. Maybe you were just trying to be humorous Older, but if you really think on it. ....... By Golly, for a peeled orange, I think you got a pretty good idea. Let's get the petition started Older and I'll be the second to sign it right after you. This might actually be something Mike would be open too.

[Older]

But elkie u would have to have pro in it to get the free stuff how about pro masters of disaster

[Elkhunter]

"Pro Masters" I think would be definetly out --- "Masters of Disaster" I think would be in !!!

[carlosii]

unknown gives me a good excuse for my cellar (not stellar) scores....even if it was known, i'd just forget what the distance is by the time i got to the stake.

[Older]

Not me man I am happier than a hog at slopping time the last time I almost didn't cry was when I got an owie on my finger . now I don't no about u phil but I have seen some mighty big men in the master class so I ain't saying nothin about shooting with the big boys by the way u ain't said nothin about the pro master class r u scared . I want all that free stuff:-) but seriously have u got any one else that wants that class if so get a petition with their names an we can show mike how many more shooters it will add I will help if u want . R u can do it I think if u can show him it will help Asa attendance he will sure study it also he will have to try. An fig where to put them let me know if u want me to help